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  3. Tiweb

    Hi! 「VirtualVeteran」

    We never really throw VSH, it still in our heart and we try to get the gamemode back like a ex gf sadly.... Aha ahah ah skrrt its sad. (Kenny Wong)
  4. It basically blocked the robots from going threw. Which means we can never loose
  5. 「VirtualVeteran」

    PBFortress Quotes

    now or else i'll suck your dick - Legacy I PBFortress.com
  6. waiting for servers to be alive again :P

  7. fluxylynx

    Hi! 「VirtualVeteran」

    suh dude
  8. 「VirtualVeteran」

    Hi! 「VirtualVeteran」

    Hi i'm VirtualVeteran but my previous names are DirtyMemez,Skorpo2.0,Cheesy Aim. I have been in PBFortress since 2013 December but this is a forum account made in 2017, i have many forum accounts but i forgot there passwords. I am from the UK I am 15 I found out about PBFortress threw VSH which was the best VSH experience in my opinion you will never find a better VSH experience like that. I remember a lot of people but someone of them have went to other community's. I remember most of the staff but they were removed. I main Sniper/Spy/Pyro I have a lot of steam accounts but i forgot there passwords i have been on steam for 7 years. I don't even remember there user names. And you will probably been seeing me around on the Jail Break servers. Hopefully one day i could be a staff member for the TF2 servers.
  9. fluxylynx

    PBFortress Quotes

    want something? fucking code it - uncleben
  10. VoidNemesis

    PBFortress Quotes

    Any quotes from PBFortress may it be members or staff can be posted here. Enjoy every single one of them may they be in the future or in the past! Post anything and everything related to the subject. for oldies (PBFortress Quotes V2)
  11. VoidNemesis

    Appeal Format

    Copy everything below, beyond this point ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your steamID | find your steamID here | : Your current steam username : Username of the staff member who punished you : What type of punishment(warn/ban?) : Reason for Punishment & duration : Evidence | recorded evidence would be better depending on the situation | : Case Details/Opinion : By posting this appeal i confirm that all details and evidence presented is not false,lied about or gone through any editing software. Signed [Your Username]
  12. Olaves

    Rate the music above you

    solid 9/10. It's one of those songs that grow on you. First time i heard this when it came out, I would have given it a 6 but now after listening to this many many times, i'd give it a 9/10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVq16JzT-oY
  13. PBFortress

    [TF2] Saxton Hale Rules

    A fun-spirited gamemode, Versus Saxton Hale is a gamemode where one player is chosen at random to become the "Boss" and must defeat all members of the RED team in order to win. The RED team must band together and cooperate with one another to ensure victory over the Boss by employing strategic teamwork to maximize survival. Be careful-- band together too close and the Boss may unleash his mighty rage, frightening all who get too close. Will the Boss reign supreme, or will the sheer numbers of the RED team subdue his might? ============================ - You must be actively attacking Hale; you may not constantly avoid him. *You can not run away all the time without doing any damage. That can reward in a slay. *Exception of Engineers, Snipers, Heavies, and pocket Medics, whose job is to camp. - Saxton cannot just let a player kill him intentionally (allowing friendlies). *There are NO "friendly players;" being friendly is punishable. - Try and not camp too much as Saxton; it slows the game down and you may be dealt with by an administrator. - Hale is not allowed to buy ranged bullet or projectile weapons at anytime from the !store. That will reward in a slay/ ban. *Hale cannot buy the Eyelander (the weapon glitches the skin). *Certain bosses have ranged weapons with limited ammo by default, such as Christian Brutal Sniper (Festive Huntsman) and Doom (Shotgun/ Rocket Launcher). - No ghosting when you are dead; this is telling people where Saxton is or where other players are. *Players that are alive can communicate with each other. - If you are not playing, quit or go into spectate; otherwise, you will be moved to spectate OR kicked by the AFK manager. - Do NOT change class as Hale. That can reward in a slay or ban. - Do not suicide as Hale; you will either sit out the following, or you may be kicked. - Do not glitch/ exploit the map in any way. This will result in a warning for a first offense and a slay if repeated. - Do not switch classes while Hale is in pursuit of you in order to evade and/or regenerate all your health. This will lead in a slay. - Do not buy weapons as Demoman (with the shield) or Spy, as this grants you full crits/minicrits, and is severely overpowered. *Buying Demoman-specific weapons as Demoman, however, is okay, such as a Festive Grenade Launcher. *Demoman can ONLY buy the Festive Charge-N-Targe; no other class may use that weapon from the Store. - Do NOT abuse the !store system. For instance, you may only use 1 respawn (staff and members). It does not matter how many credits you have; do not abuse it. - VIPs may change their class during a class rush as they paid for a perk and should be allowed to enjoy the benefit of being a VIP/Donator - [FOR STAFF ONLY] Do not kick players who are AFK either as Hale or RED team; let the AFK manager do the job it was designed to do.
  14. fluxylynx

    Rate the music above you

    Rules: - No double posting I'll start:
  15. RedMan

    Application Format

    You are about to apply for to become part of the moderation team, by applying you are saying you have read the rules including the staff policy document and the requirements. Denying any of these statements will result in a blacklist of up to 6 months. For the answers please write in non-bold letters. Copy from here to the bottom. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Requirements: Age of 16 (exceptions can be made) Server Playtime of 2 days Garry’s Mod Playtime of 300 hours Discord Account & Joined the Official PBFortress Discord A decent and working microphone ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Required Questions: Question 1): What is your age? Answer): Question 2): What is your Server Playtime? Answer): Question 3): What is your Garry’s Mod Playtime? Answer): Question 4): Discord Tag (Example: MyUsername#2225) Answer): Question 5): What timezone are you located in? Question 6): Your SteamID: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- General Questions: Question 5): Introduce yourself… (Minimum 150 words) Answer): Question 6): Are you able to make logical and smart decisions in short amount of time? Answer): Question 7): Why would you like to become part of the moderation team? Answer): Question 8): Would you consider yourself more of a leader or a follower and why? Answer): Question 9): Have you had any experience with the role or the tools that any moderation team use? Answer): Question 10): Do you have any recommendations from any of our staff? (Provide screenshot) Answer): -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Situation related Questions: Note: For the following questions, proceed to write a step by step process of how you would resolve the situation along with punishments(if any) for their actions. If you do not know any moderation tools I would highly suggest to do your research before answering any questions below as it helps us to judge the accuracy of your judgement and whether you are suitable for such role. For your account, you are part of the moderation team. Remember to try your best. Situation Number 1): You just teleported Player1 and Player2 to a sit after Player1 reported and accused Player2 for RDM. Player1 says: “I was just building my shop and he came up to me and shot me”. Player2 denies such actions by saying “I didn’t kill him, I was just standing next to him” in a squeaky voice. What do you do? Answer): Situation Number 2): You are in a middle of a sit with Player1 and Player2 and you are about to warn Player2 for RDA. Suddenly Player2 leaves the server, leaving the sit. What do you do? Answer): Situation Number 3): While patrolling on duty, you see Player1 who is a thief just straight up, run up to a gun store and proceeds to kill all customers inside the store. What do you do? Answer): Situation Number 4): You are a thief in a base that is being currently raided by a gang, you successfully eliminate 3 out of 4 of the raiders. However, one of the raiders you just killed came back and kills you in the process. What do you do? Answer): -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Applications usually take up to 24 to 72 hours before it’s reviewed. Any active showing off or mentions about the application will result in instant denial as it is actively sharing your application. So nothing of “I just applied for PBFortress” or “Can’t wait for my application to be reviewed”, that includes any obvious comments sent by your friends below your application to influence the choice.
  16. Former staff rank gone :((((

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  19. CSGO Servers [Fully Fixed] and Online We have been working hard to restore all csgo servers we found the Issue and fixed them from not downloading custom maps and content. We will keep making this coummity great again Have good week. pbfortress.com Team To view a complete list of our CSGO Servers visit our SourceBans++ server list at: http://pbfortress.com/sourcebanscs/index.php?p=servers To view a complete list of our TF2 Servers visit our SourceBans++ server list at: http://pbfortress.com/sourcebans/index.php?p=servers
  20. PBFortress

    Ban Appeal Template

    Use the below template for unban requests only. 1. Name: 2. Steam ID: 4. Original ban reason: 5. Admin that banned you: 6. Ban length: 7. Why should we unban you? 8. Anything else you'd like to tell us?
  21. PBFortress

    VIP Perks

    VIP Perks General Commands Reserved Slot - For this to work, join via the console typing "connect server ip" or join a not full server and use !servers to move to the server you want. !ccc - Custom Chat Colors change the color of your tag, name, and chat. Unusual Projectiles - Rockets, Grenades, Sandman Balls, Arrows, and more have Unusual Effects like Purple Energy and Sunbeams. Building Hats - Dispenser/Sentry will have a random hat/random unusual effect on it. !swap - Swap team (Idle Servers) !rof3, !rof2, !rof1 - Rate of Fire Increase Level 3, Level 2, and Level 1 (Idle Servers) !aia - Infinite Ammo (Idle Servers) Explosive arrows (Huntsman, Crusader Crossbow, Rescue Ranger) - Auto Activate when you join or !arrowsme to toggle on/off. (VSH only) !grav1, !grav2, !grav3- Lowers gravity to 80%, 85%, 90% respectively. !homing - Homing sentry gun rockets (VSH ONLY) Medic Speed Boost - Press your medic call button for a 6 Second Speed Boost.!mm or !equip - List of model skins you can equip. Killstreak Amount - Allows you to set a killstreak amount on your weapon for all those shiny effects! Resize Model Commands !small - Resize 20% smaller(IDLE ONLY) !normal - Resize back to normal size !medium - Resize 50% bigger !big - Resize 200% bigger !giant - Resize 300% bigger Head Size Commands !head0 - Resize your head 40% smaller !headnormal - Resize your head back to normal !head1 - Resize your head 200% bigger !head2 - Resize your head 400% bigger !head3 - Resize your head 500% bigger !head4 - Resize your head 600% bigger(idle only) !head5 - Resize your head 700% bigger(idle only) Field of View !fov90 - Field of View 90 !fov100- Field of View 100 !fov110- Field of View 110 Recolor Commands !random - Colorize yourself random !black - Colorize yourself black !red - Colorize yourself red !green - Colorize yourself green !blue - Colorize yourself blue !yellow - Colorize yourself yellow !purple - Colorize yourself purple !cyan - Colorize yourself cyan !orange - Colorize yourself orange !pink - Colorize yourself pink !olive - Colorize yourself olive !lime - Colorize yourself lime !violet - Colorize yourself violet !lightblue - Colorize yourself lightblue !silver - Colorize yourself silver !chocolate - Colorize yourself chocolate !saddlebrown - Colorize yourself saddlebrown !indigo - Colorize yourself indigo !ghostwhite - Colorize yourself ghostwhite !thistle - Colorize yourself thistle !aliceblue - Colorize yourself aliceblue !steelblue - Colorize yourself steelblue !teal - Colorize yourself teal !gold - Colorize yourself gold !tan - Colorize yourself tan !tomato - Colorize yourself tomato Class Change Commands(VSH Only) !scout - Change your class to scout (Vsh Only) !soldier - Change your class to soldier (Vsh Only) !pyro - Change your class to pyro (Vsh Only) !demoman - Change your class to demoman (Vsh Only) !demo - Change your class to demoman (Vsh Only) !heavy - Change your class to heavy(Vsh Only) !engi - Change your class to engineer (Vsh Only) !engineer - Change your class to engineer (Vsh Only) !medic - Change your class to medic (Vsh Only) !sniper - Change your class to sniper (Vsh Only) !spy - Change your class to spy (Vsh Only)
  22. PBFortress

    VIP Prices

    VIP Prices are as follows. VIP: 1 month: 3 keys - $6 3 months: 8 keys - $16 Permanent: 30 keys - $60 You can either send a trade offer to any manager+ (including Sierra), with the comment formatted as: VIP Length/Time ---------------------- Example: You want to buy VIP for 3 months VIP 3 months ---------------------- For PayPal transactions, you can add Sierra here: https://steamcommunity.com/id/firefoxxie295/ For autmoated VIP shop donations, you can visit http://pbfortress.com/donate/
  23. Welcome to the Administrator Application Template. Please use the link below to view the Application Template. http://pbfortress.com/forum/application/ Take note, only Kenny Wong ( Community Manager ) will be able to accept or refuse. Thanks for playing with us and good luck
  24. PBFortress

    [TF2] Jailbreak Rules

    One of the most popular gamemodes on PBFortress, Jailbreak is a mode where BLU team are the jail guards and RED team are the prisoners. Jailbreak is a game of cooperation (teamwork) and strategy. One member of the BLU team is given authority as the Warden, and executes orders to the RED team. If a member of the RED team does not follow the Warden''s orders correctly or in time, that player is subject to the jail guard's mercy. The warde and the guards work closely together to make sure all prisoners remain in justified order. If any member of the BLU team turns their back however, this is where the prisoners shine. Lower your guard and you may be subject to the mercy of a rebeller or two instead, or you may lose track of a prisoner, or more. Prisoners become rebellers and will attempt to thwart the agendas of the wardens and will eventually conquer the jail if they remain vigilant. When the round boils down to its last legs, one lucky prisoner may stand out and be given a Last Request from the Wardens, and will receive honorary treatment in the form of the Warden's mercy. If however, one guard remains in the jail without his Warden, that guard will show no mercy to anything that moves. Useful Jailbreak Terms: AFK - Away from keyboard and the mouse LR - Last request FF - Friendly fire CC - Collisions KOS - Kill on sight Bomb rush - Travelling without detours and delays Freekill - Killing a non-KOS RED without a good reason Baiting - Member of the BLU team entering the melee range of a RED General Rules: - First day is ALWAYS FREEDAY! - Do not spam, trade or play music over the microphone (no micspam). - Do not use the following weapons/ items/ features; you will be slain or kicked for doing so: Bonk! Atomic Punch as Scout Cloak and/or Disguise as Spy. Any Sticky Bomb launchers as Demoman (Sticky Jumper is okay). - You may not use VIP commands to change gameplay during events / minigames. (This includes the use of resizing during a minigame or using commands to deny LR.) - All players may respawn only ONCE per round. - Cat Tower is out of bounds TO BOTH TEAMS. - You may NOT impersonate / insult the Warden. - You are not allowed to respawn on Hide and Seek on either team. - No Ghosting. Ghosting is defined as giving any information about players who are alive (Class, health, location, etc etc), while dead or spectating. - You cannot reset traps in deathrun. - On the Jailfort map, you cannot camp in the cart racing area, nor use the bridge to block BLU's out during hide and seek. This area can be treated as armoury, unless the minigame is being played properly. - On the Jailfort map, you cannot activate crits in arena, and shoot people who are outside of the arena pit with those crits. War3 Rules - You are not allowed to purchase cloak with any race that has passive invisibility already. - Under any circumstance, you can NOT bait with a war3 power that will do damage to RED's. - Usage of lethal war3 is considered rebelling. Lethal war3 is defined as damaging another player(s) to reduce their health. An example of a non-lethal war3 is Dragonborne bonk. - If you have gotten respawned by bloodmage, it is considered a respawn. As a red, you must stay in your cell until given orders otherwise you'll be KOS. Bloodmage doesn't count as the only respawn you are allowed to have. RED / REBELS - Firing a projectile at any point is considered rebelling - The command "AFK Freeze" means do not touch your keyboard or mouse (you can use chat, mic and voice commands). If someone is pushing you and you try to move back to your previous position, that is considered touching your keyboard and you will die. If a play ir is holding a high 5 taunt, it counts as AFK frozen. If you see them let go at any time when they should be AFK frozen, you have permission to kill them (if someone accepts any taunts, only kill the player who accepted it). AFK taunts are listed in the /taunts menu. - If a RED comes up to a BLU and hits him, it is rebelling. If a RED attempts to hit a BLU, it is counts as rebelling, even if the RED didn't hit the BLU. - Door glitching (keeping the armory door open for others) counts as rebelling. In addition, standing on, or under any door of any minigame is not considered 'inside' of the game and will count as delaying. - The last non-rebelling, surviving RED gets a Last Request (LR) as soon as he finishes the warden's current orders. They can tell BLU's what to do as an LR. After the LR has been chosen or custom LR is complete, the RED must be killed by the BLU's. If the RED attacks a BLU without any reason, the BLU's may kill the read and the LR becomes void. - Do not camp in the ARMORY or MEDIC. Camping is a slay-able offense (rebelling if in Armory). - If a RED kills the Warden, that RED "CANNOT" be pardoned! - When the Warden states to go somewhere, it means the map's positioned only (not any painted ones/ sprays)/ - You are not allowed to delay as last RED alive. After 30 seconds, you must be actively rebelling. You are punishable after the 30 seconds. - You may not stop the non-rebelling RED's from obtaining LR by hiding, camping, running away (etc.), as that counts as rebelling. - Any RED that respawns must stay in their cell until the Warden gives them orders (If the respawned RED leaves the cell before any order was given, it counts as rebelling!). - You may not glitch LR in any way. - Lethal taunts are not considered auto-rebelling. Lethal taunts are allowed, unless the Warden says that they are not. If a RED is trying to kill a BLU with a lethal taunt on purpose, then the RED is rebelling and he is killed on sight. If a BLU runs into a RED's lethal taunt on purpose, then it's the BLU's fault and the RED is not rebelling (unless the Warden said no lethal taunts). - Respawning during the LR is not allowed. This rule only applies when it is the last remaining RED, or when a RED is about to get his/her LR and BLU is killing rebellers, etc... - Before the last non rebelling RED has received LR, the RED MUST still comply with wardens orders. Once the RED has received his LR (After the warden has typed !givelr and selected the player) the orders do not apply. -During Hide & Seek, if a RED is hiding in Tardis (Tardis armoury also) or is stuck in the pit of obby (in the middle of the air also counts), the RED will be slain or can be ghosted (only reason you can ghost) so the BLU's can kill him. For casuarina map,the room with the toilt that teleports you and the back door in disco also count as off-limit locations For jailfort map, the control room for blue, if you take the teleport, also count as off-limit locations For mlcastle map, the control area for blue in mariokart, if you take the teleport, also counts as off-limit locations - A RED player may NOT abuse Freeday privileges. Excessive abuse/infringements may result in further consequences Freeday abuse/rebelling constitutes the following actions: Attempting to, or actively, break into the Armoury through one or more entryways Getting ammo (from the Armoury or another ammo supply source) Purposefully Trapping BLU's in an area where they have no possibiliity to get out except for killing the freeday Rebelling as a Freeday will automatically remove your Freeday statuis, and may potentially be removed by a server administrator if the status has not already been revoked Purposefully hitting/ swinging at a guard or the Warden Delaying the round/ LR Disrupting a minigame that will not immediately kill you (Kitchen, Club Glod, Disco, Jeopardy, etc) - Custom LR's do have the following limits: LR cannot break rules: you can't force the warden to say the n-word after every order You can't limit the amount of blues You can't force an admin to use an admin command to do your lr; the admin needs to accept it by himself If you force someone to be warden, and that person leaves, it isn't denying lr (granted they don't rejoin.) You can't make someone do something absurd after every order, such as make them repeat 10x A maximum of 3 LR's that can be chosen at the same time (try not over-doing it) : i.e: "melee only and hide and seek," or something along those lines You can't force mass suicide / the killing of all guards next round You can't do something absurd in general, like forcing all reds to do every minigame, or making them runaround the map before every order LR's created for the same round given, have a time-limit of 3 minutes, after that they RED is auto-rebelling You can't claim next round as a certain day, and not define the day - Breaking/Hitting/Using the buttons on JB Famous that control vents to armoury are KOS for REDS - Dock area is auto-KOS, any freedays who go there are Auto-KOS, and any freedays who end the round by the boat are slain next round/slain to prevent them from doing this (Jailfort). - If you leave the cells via any method before the cells open, you are auto KOS BLU / GUARDS - No Freekilling or Freehitting (The killing/hitting of a red without proper reasoning) - The WARDEN MUST have a mic and has to be using it at all times! If you are going to join the BLU team, you have to have a mic and you have to use it - does NOT apply to staff members Staff members can switch you to RED for not having a mic You cannot give orders through chat!!! - All BLU's must be actively trying to help the Warden in every way possible - If the Warden gives no orders before the cell doors open, it is considered a Freeday (players can do whatever they want) - If no BLU's become the Warden after two or more consecutive days, admins may switch some or all, players of both teams to give others a chance to become BLU/Warden - You may not camp in armoury or medic for more than 10 seconds if you are NOT doing one of the following: Fighting rebels/enemies Being body-blocked by free-days or reds Participating in ***Hide and Seek or Hunger Games*** - If you are the last BLU, you are allowed to kill all remaining RED's. This does not apply if you are the only blue to spawn, or if you are the warden Do not camp or delay the game; you must be actively trying to kill all remaining RED's You cannot retire as the Warden and then proceed to kill everyone If you the last BLU is delaying, all players may ghost - You are not allowed to glitch any skin forced upon you by the server - Team-killing on BLU at anytime is not allowed - You cannot play the same activity 2 days in a row; this includes Hunger Games and Hide & Seek (even as LR) - Any type of Friendly Fire (FF) activity can only take place if there has been 3 whole rounds/days in between. This includes Cell Wars, Hunger Games, and any other Friendly Fire activity. - You should not bait the RED's & applied to the Warden as well; If a BLU attacks while baiting, it is considered a freekill/freehit, which can reward in a slay Entering the cell of a RED as a BLU is considered baiting and RED's are allowed to hit you;shooting / killing them is considered freehit / freekill - When the target of an order asks for a repeat, you must repeat that specific order. HOWEVER, if you are on BLU or are dead, and you attempt to aggravate the warden by pointlessly asking for a repeat, your request can be ignored; If the warden says "RED's, dead's, and BLU's of mic," a BLU and/or a dead player can ask for a repeat A BLU cannot ask for a repeat on "All RED's afk freeze in cells" Repeat orders must follow the previously given command [VALID] "AFK Freeze hugging and facing back cell wall. [Repeat] Hug and face the back wall of cell and AFK Freeze." [INVALID] "AFK Freeze hugging and facing back cell wall. [Repeat] AFK Freeze in cell." - If the Warden tells you to go somewhere, you must go there. Upon arrival, youj must stay there until told otherwise - After the Warden has died/unwardened/disconnected, a BLU can/must become the Warden within 10 seconds. If no BLU takes over, the Warden position after 10 seconds becomes, it becomes a Freeday for the remainder of the round! - BLU's cannot accept taunts from AFK Frozen RED's (RPS included) since the RED is not allowed to stop during AFK frozen at any time - If Simon says, "All RED's will be referred to as ___," they must be referred to as ___ during the order for them to do what Simon says - You are not allowed to purposely shoot / hit freedays to gain crits - You need to wait 2 rounds between each Trust Fun or Bad Luck day Warden is not allowed to stack or line up reds where it would kill large amounts of players (more than 4) - BLU's are not allowed to suicide during the LR period - Warden can no longer say "First to jump gets LR" with more than 3 reds alive that qualify for lr - Only Warden and those given permission by Warden may activate buttons that could affect the gameplay of the RED's - As a Guard/BLU, you may not destroy any extra entryways into Armory which are typically used for rebelling. Ex. Ceiling hole at the back of armory on, Jeopardy entryway on jb minecraft dayilight BANNED MINIGAMES - Patience day (Making RED's sit in one arena of the map AFK frozen, and are not allowed to move) - Beans (Placing all RED's in one cell and shooting a grenade into the cell; last person gets LR) - Opposite Day (Opposite Day is where all orders mentioned are reversed- this is likely to cause some confusion, since some orders do not follow a simple yes/no or left/right pattern and could likely result in 'accidental' freehits/freekills) - Donald Trump day (Making RED's go to a specific area and killing them while they are trying to go to this place)
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